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In Their Own Words

PART B: ISKCON�s "gurus" are unauthorized 


1. ISKCON guru system is wrong

IRM says:

The current ISKCON guru system is defective.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"After Harikesa fell down in 1998, in 1999 I proposed that it�s obvious that we are going in the wrong direction. Now, when you go wrong, when you know you�re going in the wrong direction, what do you do? You stop to find the right way. So for the time-being, let�s stop giving initiation and find out what is actually the problem and what is the solution to this problem, whether we can find a solution and until then, let us stop."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami, Toronto meeting, July 20th, 2003)
 

"Yes, I agree, to begin with, I think at the beginning I said our main problem was introducing a defective initiation system. And that defective system may have been watered down to some extent, but its still prevailing."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami, Toronto meeting, July 20th, 2003)
 

"The follower takes care of his guru�s property and that was a big misconception that was entered into our society and that misconception, I will say, is still continuing. Like in 1987, although we had a reform, after so many gurus fell down, there was a fifty man committee was formed and there was reform it was not actually, at least my perception is that it was not actually a reform. It was kind of watering down the same misconception and continuing. Like what we did was we appointed some more gurus and opened up the world for anybody to initiate wherever he wanted. Whereas previous to that it was a kind of zonal acarya. So that I think is the main mistake where we started, that took place after Srila Prabhupada�s disappearance that has never been properly rectified."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami, Toronto meeting, July 20th, 2003)

 

2. ISKCON guru system based on trial and error

IRM says:

The ISKCON guru system is a concoction, fabricated based on circumstance.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"When you�re going to have a single institution with many different spiritual masters and there are many different disciples who are going to have do work together in a cooperative and unified way. Just hadn�t been done. How to do it? And to me the only the way you can do it is to try this and if that doesn�t work try this�.. until you finally find what works out. So I think it was very difficult for anyone to foresee, so it seems that the only way to do this is, by is, by trying to do it. And see what works and what doesn�t work and Prabhupada himself said that he used the trial and error method so I�d don�t think it is not bona fide."
(HG Ravindra Svarupa Das, �Issues in ISKCON Reform� lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)

 

3. ISKCON "gurus" not authorised by Srila Prabhupada

IRM says:

ISKCON "gurus" are authorised not by Srila Prabhupada, but via this defective ISKCON system, and ISKCON was not ordered by Srila Prabhupada to authorise gurus.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"Your diksa guru is giving you diksa because the institution of ISKCON decided that he should give diksa."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami, Text PAMHO6829041, May 19th, 2003)
 

"That Srila Prabhupada "personally detailed the procedure for increasing the number of initiating guru[s]" is something we can only wish. Or falsely tell the Society he did."
(HH Jayadvaita Swami, analysis of the �May 28th, 1977 Conversation�, 13th December, 2003, accepted by GBC)
 

[Note: ISKCON gurus are authorized by the Society. However, a bona fide Guru would have to be ordered directly by Srila Prabhupada himself: "A guru can become guru when he is ordered by his guru. That�s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru."
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 28th, 1975)]

 

PART B - CONCLUSION

ISKCON leaders agree with the IRM that:

ISKCON�S current guru system, and therefore its gurus, are unauthorised.