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PART C: ISKCON "gurus" should act as ritviks 


1. ISKCON "gurus" related to "disciples" as ritviks

IRM says:

ISKCON "gurus" should only be ritviks, and if they fall it will have no affect at all on those initiated, since it is actually Srila Prabhupada who is fulfilling the functions of being their diksa Guru and delivering them, and he still remains.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"A devotee joins the movement and is trained and cultivated by ISKCON in the form of the local temple devotees. He is doing fine and being trained up nicely. But then he gets initiated by somebody who comes to that place once in a blue moon, but because he has been initiated by him he begins to think that he is his authority and the local devotees don�t mean anything to him anymore."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami Disciples Meeting, August 1st, 2007)
 

"If for some unfortunate reason gurus leave ISKCON, at least the institutional empowerment doesn�t go with them, it stays here, and devotees should be wise enough and selective enough in that case to stay in Srila Prabhupada�s line, and Srila Prabhupada�s direct service is going on."
(HH Sivarama Swami, Initiation Lecture, Bhaktivedanta Manor, January 7th, 2007)
 

"Everyone�s spiritual life is actually anchored onto Srila Prabhupada, Prabhupada�s mercy, Prabhupada�s guidance, Prabhupada�s teachings, then even if the gurus fell down they wouldn�t become totally disappointed with their spiritual life and Iskcon [�] So in this way we saw that although in the past the leaders have fallen down or left the movement but devotees in general did not become affected by that � why? Because everybody had the understanding very clear that their spiritual life was actually harnessed to Srila Prabhupada or anchored to Srila Prabhupada�s mercy and Prabhupada is going to deliver them."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami, Toronto meeting, July 20th, 2003)

 

2. ISKCON "gurus" to act the same as they did pre-1978

IRM says:

ISKCON "gurus" being only ritviks, cannot act as diksa Gurus in relation to those they "initiate", and therefore do not have the authority to engage them, or collect Guru daksina (money gifted to the Guru) from them. Rather, authority for engagement lies with the local temple, and Guru daksina is collected by ISKCON on behalf of Srila Prabhupada.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"Temple presidents and project leaders are fully responsible for engaging the devotees in their charge. Gurus must first consult with a temple president before talking to a disciple about changing their service."
(Law 405 (G), GBC Resolutions, 1999)
 

"Guru daksina and other donations offered to siksa and diksa gurus are the property of ISKCON."
(Law 405, 1999, GBC Resolutions)
 

IRM says:

ISKCON "guru" only acts as siksa guru to facilitate surrender to Srila Prabhupada.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"Initiation has two objectives. One is to receive the mantra and the other is to formalize surrender. In today�s context the important consideration is the surrender. [�] if you are surrendering to me, formalizing your surrender, then what kind of responsibility do I have to you? It is to transmit your surrender to the institution of ISKCON. Generally the guru transmits this to Krsna, but here I am not directly representing Krsna. I am representing Krsna through the via medium of Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami Disciples Meeting, August 1st, 2007)
 

"I have mentioned many times that my responsibility as your spiritual master is to take you to the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami, Durban disciples meeting, April 7th, 2006)

[Note: Bhakti Charu Swami accepts that unlike a diksa Guru, he does not transmit the surrender of a disciple to Krishna, but rather he is supposed to help one surrender to Srila Prabhupada, thus acting in a manner no different to how every single devotee acted in ISKCON pre-1978: as siksa gurus who helped everyone who joined ISKCON surrender to the diksa Guru, Srila Prabhupada].

 

3. ISKCON "gurus" not functioning as gurus

IRM says:

All ISKCON devotees should act in exactly the same way they acted when Srila Prabhupada was physically on the planet, since it is Srila Prabhupada as the diksa Guru, and not they, who is leading everyone to Krishna.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"I cannot lead you to Krsna. "
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami
Istagosthi, March 28th, 2006)

[Note: Bhakti Caru Swami here confirms that Srila Prabhupada, and not he, is the bona fide spiritual master:

"And if you get a bona fide spiritual master, he will take you to Krsna." (Laws of Material Nature, Chapter 1);

"It is illegal to become a spiritual master if one is unable to deliver the disciple." (Srimad-Bhagavatam, 2.7.7 purport ]

 

4. ISKCON "gurus" � authority over "disciples" similar to a ritvik

IRM says:

ISKCON "gurus" being only ritviks, cannot act as diksa Gurus in relation to those they "initiate", and therefore do not have the authority to engage them, or collect Guru daksina (money gifted to the Guru) from them. Rather, authority for engagement lies with the local temple, and Guru daksina is collected by ISKCON on behalf of Srila Prabhupada.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"Temple presidents and project leaders are fully responsible for engaging the devotees in their charge. Gurus must first consult with a temple president before talking to a disciple about changing their service."
(Law 405 (G), GBC Resolutions, 1999)
 

"Guru daksina and other donations offered to siksa and diksa gurus are the property of ISKCON."
(Law 405, 1999, GBC Resolutions)

 

5. ISKCON "gurus" act as ritviks, Srila Prabhupada as Guru

IRM says:

ISKCON "gurus" should only be ritviks, and therefore ISKCON members would actually be instructed by, and repose their faith in Srila Prabhupada, just as it was done when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"ISKCON leaders shall teach that Srila Prabhupada�s books and teachings are the foundation of the spiritual lives of all ISKCON members. Therefore, all ISKCON members shall consider it their compulsory duty to study Srila Prabhupada�s books. Hearing from other devotee�s books and teachings is secondary and supplemental and should not be done at the expense of hearing regularly from Srila Prabhupada."
(Law 405 (F), GBC Resolutions, 1999)
 

"As it is enjoined in scripture that a devotee must honor his spiritual master, ISKCON members shall be trained to place their faith, trust and allegiance first and foremost in the Founder-acarya who is the pre-eminent siksa guru for every member of ISKCON."
(Law 405, 1999, GBC Resolutions)
 

[Note: "According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru, and generally the siksa-guru later on becomes the diksa-guru."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam,
4:12:32, purport)

"Generally a spiritual master who constantly instructs a disciple in spiritual science becomes his initiating spiritual master later on."
(
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, 1:35, purport)]

 

6. ISKCON "gurus" act as ritviks in relation to the movement

IRM says:

ISKCON today can not have any diksa gurus other than Srila Prabhupada, and therefore those conducting initiations, being ritviks, are simply the agents of the local temple, and have no role in ISKCON�s authority system, which would continue unchanged from that which existed when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet.
 

ISKCON�s leadership says:

"We must recognize that our first loyalty is to the local temple and the temple authority. And as a spiritual master what should I do? I think as a spiritual master it is my responsibility to reconfirm and re-establish that relationship with the local temple and temple authority."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami Disciples Meeting, August 1st, 2007)
 

"And what is the line of authority structure in ISKCON? The line of authority is that Srila Prabhupada is the founder-acarya of ISKCON. Where does our ultimate loyalty lie? It lies with Srila Prabhupada. Then Prabhupada pointed out that the GBC is the ultimate managing authority in ISKCON. In the line of authority, next to Srila Prabhupada is the GBC body and then there is the GBC member; every zone has a GBC member who is the zonal secretary. So we should be loyal to the GBC body and to the GBC member. And then there is the temple unit and in the temple who is the person in charge of the temple. It is the temple president. And then there is the temple council or temple management committee. In this way we have the line of authority."
(HH Bhakti Caru Swami Disciples Meeting, August 1st, 2007)

 

PART C - CONCLUSION

ISKCON leaders agree with the IRM that:

ISKCON is only supposed to contain ritviks and siksa gurus, and no diksa Gurus other than Srila Prabhupada.